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Joey Woodwork 9:09 Thu Aug 11
The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
England v Pakistan, 4th Test, The Oval

August 11-15, 2016
Start time 11am (1000 GMT)

Less than four weeks have passed since Pakistan wrapped up a rousing victory at Lord's in the first Test, capped by a military-inspired set of press-ups in front of the pavilion, but they return to London with very little of that inspirational vim remaining. Trips to Manchester and Birmingham have resulted in two strength-sapping defeats and it is now England who are flexing their muscles ahead of the Oval encounter.

From entering the series ranked fourth in the world, and thanks to Australia's unexpected capitulation in Sri Lanka, England can suddenly see a shortcut to No. 1. That would require victory in the final Test and a 3-1 series scoreline (as well as West Indies to hold off India in one of their two remaining matches) but they are moving in the right direction regardless. In contrast to their tightly drilled ascent to No. 1 five years ago, England seem a little surprised to have found themselves wandering around the summit so soon - and Alastair Cook is sticking to his line that they have plenty to learn, whatever the rankings say.

An improvement on their record in the final Test of a series is clearly the next matter to address. A draw at The Oval will be enough to give England all nine series trophies but a win would underline the sense of progress rather more emphatically. In recent times, England have finished off Test tours with defeats in Centurion, Sharjah and Barbados, while last summer they were beaten at The Oval and Headingley. Such flakiness is unbecoming of a side with aspirations to be the best in the world.

Another reason to guard against complacency is Pakistan's good record at The Oval. Putting aside the memory of their forfeiture in 2006 (a game in which they were well placed), Pakistan have secured several memorable wins in south London, including Wasim Akram and Waqar Younis reverse-swinging their way through England in 1992 and victory on their most recent visit, six years ago. By contrast, since England clinched the 2009 Ashes on this ground, they have only beaten India (in 2011 and 2014), while suffering three defeats and a draw.

Pakistan will always have Lord's and this tour will be remembered for Misbah-ul-Haq's hundred, the heroics of Yasir Shah and the return of Mohammad Amir. But they have a chance to leave with even better memories if they can pull it all together again back in the capital - not to mention an outside shot of reaching No. 1 themselves with a drawn series. The drill sergeants of Abbottabad, just like everyone else, will be watching keenly.

Form guide:

England: WWLDW (last five completed matches, most recent first)

 Pakistan: LLWWW

Team news

Alastair Cook said England were "hoping" to play the same team, which would mean Adil Rashid and Jake Ball missing out again. James Vince has recovered from a finger injury sustained attempting to take a catch at Edgbaston but won't field in the slips.

England (possible) 1 Alastair Cook (capt), 2 Alex Hales, 3 Joe Root, 4 James Vince, 5 Gary Ballance, 6 Jonny Bairstow (wk), 7 Moeen Ali, 8 Chris Woakes, 9 Stuart Broad, 10 Steven Finn, 11 James Anderson

Mickey Arthur hinted at various options for Pakistan's selection, with the need for a fifth bowler even more pressing in the second of back-to-back Tests. If Iftikhar Ahmed - who "bowls offspin and decently," according to Arthur - wins a Test debut, he would likely come into the side at Mohammad Hafeez's expense but bat in the middle order, with Azhar Ali asked to open. A rare four-Test series has increased the workload on Pakistan's pace bowlers and there may also be changes to the attack.

Pakistan (possible) 1 Mohammad Hafeez/Iftikhar Ahmed, 2 Sami Aslam, 3 Azhar Ali, 4 Younis Khan, 5 Misbah-ul-Haq (capt), 6 Asad Shafiq, 7 Sarfraz Ahmed (wk), 8 Yasir Shah, 9 Mohammad Amir, 10 Sohail Khan, 11 Rahat Ali/Wahab Riaz

Pitch and conditions

As before the Ashes Test at The Oval last year, a distinctly green-tinged pitch was on show (although that didn't stop Australia from racking up 481 in an innings win) and Cook suggested it would be "suited to pace bowling", with some turn later on. In Surrey's last Championship match here, in June, spinners Zafar Ansari and Gareth Batty took 12 wickets between them. The forecast is for a warm finish to the week, which could facilitate the surface breaking up.

Stats and trivia

* A 3-1 series win for England will send them top of the rankings, at least until the completion of India's tour of the West Indies
* Aside from forfeiting the 2006 Test at The Oval, Pakistan have not lost at the ground since 1967
* Chris Woakes needs one more wicket to break James Anderson's record of 23 for an England bowler in a Test series against Pakistan
* Joe Root is 60 runs short of 4000 in Tests; if he gets there in his next innings, he will go level with Kevin Pietersen as 14th fastest overall

Replies - In Chronological Order (Show Newest Messages First)

One McAvennieeeeee 9:12 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Great, the BOK is back doing the threads.

stewie griffin 9:14 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Excellent work here Wooders

Absolutely huge game this, holding every trophy we play for would be a brilliant achievement

Ronald_antly 9:20 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
So this thread is about the OFFICIAL 4th Test, yes?

Sven Roeder 10:37 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Until they start having a Test championship ( which was supposed to be 2017 & got binned again) I'm not sure the rankings mean much.
The trophies between countries mean more (ie who holds them) and although that of course is often dependent on WHERE the last series was held its hard to argue that England shouldn't be currently no.1. If you must having an outside ranking beyond the trophies.

If the rankings are to be more reflective I think the current calculation which I think is a rolling 2 year cycle is wrong.
Perhaps it should include the last 5 Tests that every nation has played at home and the same away against everyone else.
Anyway let's see how England get on here back in London.

East Auckland Hammer 11:31 Thu Aug 11
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Of course, to have the rankings be truly meaningful, some of the bigger countries would have to slum it a little bit and play against Zimbabwe etc instead of just amongst themselves.

JustAFatKevinDavies 11:39 Thu Aug 11
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the extra FAFF you put in the opening post is annoying jabs, means you have to scroll down further every time its opened.

Rookie mistake.

Joey Woodwork 11:55 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
You and your busy brother can do one.

Chinkey Weasel 12:00 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
I'm at the oval tomorrow. Thirsty already

Far Cough 12:01 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Hi Chinky, you going with Danny?

Hope he's forgiven me for me telling him the score in the last Test?

Joey Woodwork 12:07 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
England having a Bat

Joey Woodwork 1:03 Thu Aug 11
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Yasir claiming a catch off Hales,

Soft decision is out

Joey Woodwork 1:06 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Couldn't prove otherwise, so out.

BetterthanKaka 1:09 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Hat-trick

stoneman 1:21 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Hales isn't a test match player.

Cook needs another partner.

Coffee 1:58 Thu Aug 11
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FFS

Cook now gone.

Coffee 2:03 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear.

Root gone.

73/3

Joey Woodwork 2:03 Thu Aug 11
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Root gone

Joey Woodwork 2:13 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
4 down, Vince

JustAFatKevinDavies 2:16 Thu Aug 11
Re: The OFFICIAL 4th Test Thread - ENG vs PAK
well done jabs, well done.

stoneman 2:21 Thu Aug 11
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I'm better than Vince.

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